Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/26/2001 01:35 PM Senate HES

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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                   
       SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                                                                   
                         February 26, 2001                                                                                      
                             1:35 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Jerry Ward                                                                                                              
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All Members Present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Quality Schools/Quality Students Update                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
High School Graduation Qualifying Exam Proposal                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
High School Graduation Qualifying Exam - See HESS minutes dated                                                                 
1/27/01, 1/31/01, 2/12/01, 2/14/01, 2/21/01 and 2/24/01.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carl Rose                                                                                                                   
Association of Alaska School Boards                                                                                             
316 W 11th St.                                                                                                                  
Juneau, AK  99801                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed the QS2 Initiative.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Paul Thibodeau                                                                                                                  
Association of Alaska School Boards                                                                                             
PO Box 695                                                                                                                      
Craig, AK  99921                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed the QS2 Initiative.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Norm Wooten                                                                                                                     
Kodiak Island School District Board Member                                                                                      
PO Box 3016                                                                                                                     
Kodiak, AK 99615                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Prefers to delay the exit exam.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Sheri Wikan                                                                                                                     
Petersburg School Board Member                                                                                                  
PO Box 929                                                                                                                      
Petersburg, AK                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Prefers to delay the exit exam.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Hans Bernard                                                                                                                    
Student Advisor to the Anchorage School Board                                                                                   
18816 Roads End Circle                                                                                                          
Eagle River, AK  99577                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Prefers to delay the exit exam.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Debbie Ossiander                                                                                                                
Anchorage School Board                                                                                                          
PO Box 196650                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, AK  99519                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Prefers to delay the exit exam.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
John Davis, Superintendent                                                                                                      
Bering Strait School District                                                                                                   
Unalakleet, AK  99684                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Prefers to eliminate the exit exam.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Janelle Privett, Chair                                                                                                          
Wrangell School Board                                                                                                           
PO Box 775                                                                                                                      
Wrangell, AK 99929                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Prefers to delay the exit exam.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Deb Germano, Chair                                                                                                              
Kenai Peninsula Board of Education                                                                                              
PO Box 1511                                                                                                                     
Homer, AK  99603                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Prefers to delay the exit exam.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Deb Edwardson                                                                                                                   
North Slope Borough School Board Member                                                                                         
PO Box 704                                                                                                                      
Barrow, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Prefers to delay the exit exam.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-15, SIDE A                                                                                                            
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN LYDA  GREEN called the Senate Health, Education  & Social                                                          
Services  Committee  meeting  to order  at  1:35 p.m.  Present  were                                                            
Senators  Ward,  Wilken  and Chairwoman  Green.    Chairwoman  Green                                                            
announced   that   the  committee   will   first  hear   a   Quality                                                            
Schools/Quality Students  (QS2) update by Mr. Carl Rose and Mr. Paul                                                            
Thibodeau.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAUL THIBODEAU,  President of  the Association of Alaska  School                                                            
Boards  (AASB),   informed  committee   members  that  he   is  also                                                            
representing  the  Craig  School  District.    He said  he  will  be                                                            
discussing how  communities can achieve quality schools  and quality                                                            
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
QS2 offers training assistance  in the areas of leadership, programs                                                            
and staff, community, parents  and resources.  It is community based                                                            
and addresses the resources  that communities have that can be built                                                            
on.  QS2 helps schools  to mirror their communities and includes the                                                            
ASB advocacy  agenda, which includes  assets, community engagement,                                                             
strategic planning,  assistance in staff development  and curriculum                                                            
alignment with  the standards.  It  also includes the AASB's  agenda                                                            
regarding school board development and school board standards.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. THIBODEAU  pointed out  that the Craig  School District  began a                                                            
strategic  planning  process  in  1990.   The  district  needed  the                                                            
community to  be involved.  The district  was also fighting  funding                                                            
limitations.     The  Craig  School  District  can   attest  to  how                                                            
successful  the QS2 approach can be.   The district's curriculum  is                                                            
aligned  with  the  standards  and  is ready  for  the  High  School                                                            
Graduation  Qualifying  Exam (HSGQE),  and it has  been the  vehicle                                                            
that  has  helped  the  district   grow,  in  spite  of  changes  in                                                            
administrations   and  changes  in  the  community.     He  informed                                                            
committee members that Mr. Rose will discuss the details of QS2.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  Mr. Thibodeau  how large  the Craig  School                                                            
District is.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THIBODEAU  said the Craig School District is a  K-12 single site                                                            
district, with 520 students.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARL ROSE,  Executive  Director of  the Association  of  Alaska                                                            
School  Boards  (AASB),  said  as districts  begin  to  address  how                                                            
changes  will be made  to increase  student achievement  and  how to                                                            
implement  standards, many  are having difficulties.   To develop  a                                                            
process to help  three schools this year and six schools  next year,                                                            
AASB looked for  a community based effort to try to  improve student                                                            
achievement.  He referred to a study  entitled, "Looking  Back," and                                                            
informed  the committee that  the statistics  it contains are  still                                                            
valid.   According to that  study, in 1950  about 65 percent  of the                                                            
jobs available  were for  unskilled labor  while jobs available  for                                                            
skilled labor  amounted to 15 percent.   As of 2000, available  jobs                                                            
for skilled labor  has increased to 65 percent while  available jobs                                                            
for unskilled  labor is at  20 percent.   Businesses surveyed  value                                                            
teamwork and cooperation,  values and responsibility,  communication                                                            
skills, and competency in employees.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE informed the committee  that the Business Education Compact                                                            
started  with the School  to Work  effort and  moved through  Career                                                            
Pathways  and is  now a  501(C)(3) organization  that  is trying  to                                                            
ingrain  the concept  of experiential  or  applied  learning.   This                                                            
group wants to take a look  at the idea of relevance with the belief                                                            
that if what is  being taught is relevant, people  will be attracted                                                            
to it.  The next  page of the document deals with  creating systemic                                                            
change.   The academic standards  that are  in place are a  critical                                                            
portion  and  are  one  measurement;  second  are  the  high  school                                                            
qualifying  exit  exam and  the benchmark  exams.    The next  issue                                                            
becomes  a business  education  compact.    The outcome  of  applied                                                            
learning looks something  like an authentic assessment or portfolio;                                                            
it shows  what people  know.   AASB is  providing QS2  right now  to                                                            
incorporate  these areas.   The most critical  piece that AASB  will                                                            
play is the Alaska  Initiative Community Engagement.   AASB received                                                            
a grant  this year from Senator  Stevens for  $2 million to  use the                                                            
assets  model as  its base.   That model  contains  40 assets.   The                                                            
measurement  will be  the survey  offered to  parents, students  and                                                            
adults to determine how  many assets are available in their schools.                                                            
It describes  the amount of opportunity  available in the  community                                                            
to help students succeed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  asked if the Business Education  Compact is a non-                                                            
profit organization.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said it is.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if it is independent of AASB.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  said it is.   He showed a diagram  of the QS2 plan,  which                                                            
acts as an  umbrella for the community's  values.  Four elements  of                                                            
education are  required: leadership;  program and staff;  community,                                                            
parents and youth; and  resource investment.   The community has the                                                            
opportunity  to take  a  look at  what the  future  holds for  their                                                            
future  and what  values they  want their  children  to learn.   The                                                            
committee  that   represents  the  community  should   reflect  that                                                            
community.   He described  the model that  will be used and  pointed                                                            
out that 15  school districts will  be using it.  AASB is  trying to                                                            
build capacity across the state.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked what the $700,000 is for in year 1.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said  he will review a document  that will break  that down                                                            
shortly.  He pointed  out the Business Education Compact  is working                                                            
to  get the  employability  standards  ingrained  so AASB  can  work                                                            
across the curriculum.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked if  the Alaska  Human  Resource  Investment                                                            
Council (AHRIC) came up with these standards.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  said they did.   He then described  the four quadrants  of                                                            
the QS2 initiative:  leadership; programs  and staff; community  and                                                            
parents;  and resources.    The leadership  quadrant  covers  school                                                            
board development  issues, in-district  workshops, and professional                                                             
development  for administrators.   The programs  and staff  quadrant                                                            
will  address  the  alignment  of  content  standards,  curriculum,                                                             
instruction  and assessment.   The community  and parent  engagement                                                            
quadrant  is part of  the Alaska  Community Engagement  effort.   He                                                            
reviewed  the QS2  budget  and pointed  out  the numbers  have  been                                                            
revised.  The program and  staff training will be one of the largest                                                            
expenses.  The AASB has  used some of its own seed money, has raised                                                            
grant money  and plans to  raise more.  The  cost in the third  year                                                            
will be almost  $3 million.  Two districts  have already  done their                                                            
strategic plans  and one has its inventory done.   Hopefully, by the                                                            
end of spring,  the AASB will have an idea of what  kind of programs                                                            
will be needed  to carry out the vision of the districts'  strategic                                                            
plans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
AASB  hopes this  money will  be available  through  the  foundation                                                            
formula  in the  next ten  years, but  right now,  AASB can't  wait.                                                            
There  is  regional  and local  interest.    With  the change  to  a                                                            
standards-based  diploma system, AASB believes the  more capacity it                                                            
builds, the more it learns and the more it can help.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1249                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  asked if the AASB will have worked  with nine school                                                            
districts at the end of the three-year period.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said that is correct.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked  if  the  community  assessments  could  be                                                            
radically different from each other.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  said he didn't  think they will  differ radically  because                                                            
the focus  is on reading,  writing and mathematics.   The degree  to                                                            
which those  subjects can  be spread across  the curriculum  will be                                                            
the key.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  asked if the first three reports  are likely to be                                                            
used as models for other districts.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said the community  will describe what it values and how it                                                            
wants to move  forward.  Once the  community decides where  it wants                                                            
to go, a program  structure will have to be designed.   He felt that                                                            
most  districts  will tie  their  curricula  to  the exit  exam  and                                                            
technology.    He  pointed  out  that  a  current  problem  is  that                                                            
leadership  is in isolation so the  idea is to get the community  to                                                            
work with the  leadership and staff.   If a community sees  a vision                                                            
and  falls  upon hard  times,  the  community  can speak  through  a                                                            
strategic plan rather than  fall victim.  It is a powerful way for a                                                            
community to be involved.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1475                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked Mr.  Rose  to describe  the  status of  the                                                            
development of standards.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE  said  everyone   is  trying  to  transfer   from  content                                                            
standards,  what students  should  know, to  performance  standards,                                                            
what students should be able to do.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  if the  Career Pathways  and employability                                                             
standards work toward the performance standards.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  said they  do.   AASB is  applying standards  to areas  of                                                            
relevance  across the  curriculum.   It is a  powerful tool  because                                                            
students understand why they are dealing with the curriculum.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1564                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                  DRAFT PROPOSAL ON THE EXIT EXAM                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  informed participants that the information  on the                                                            
handout she  provided contains  ideas about  the exit exam  but they                                                            
are nothing  more  than ideas  at this time.   She  asked those  who                                                            
testify to describe the perfect solution.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. NORM WOOTEN, Kodiak  Island Borough School District board member                                                            
and a member of the board  of directors of the National School Board                                                            
Association,  said he recently sat  in on a briefing in Washington,                                                             
D.C. given  by the U.S. Secretary  of Education,  Rod Page.   He was                                                            
gratified  to find  how closely  aligned  Alaska  is with  President                                                            
Bush's education  policy.  President Bush's policy  includes closing                                                            
the achievement  gap, particularly among disadvantaged  and minority                                                            
students,  accountability for  school systems,  high standards,  and                                                            
assessment  to  accurately  gauge  how well  schools  are  educating                                                            
students.   It also includes consequences  for schools that  fail to                                                            
meet  the standards.   It  emphasizes reading  in  early grades  and                                                            
promotes  parental  choice.   Finally,  it  includes  safe  schools.                                                            
Alaska's  content standards,  benchmark exams,  and the high  school                                                            
graduation  qualifying  exam  directly support  the  Bush  education                                                            
policy.  He thanked the  legislators for their foresight and vision.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The Kodiak Island  Borough School District supports  high standards.                                                            
The district wants  diplomas to represent quality.   The district is                                                            
spending an incredible  amount of staff time and financial resources                                                            
to comply with  those requirements.  The district  wants to continue                                                            
testing its students,  but suggests that the high  school graduation                                                            
qualifying  exam be delayed  to give  the district  time to  do four                                                            
things.   First,  the district  wants to  ensure  its curriculum  is                                                            
adequately  aligned, based  on the  results of  the benchmark  test.                                                            
The district wants to take  the data from students coming up through                                                            
the system and ensure that  the curriculum is designed so that tenth                                                            
graders will have  had the instruction and skills  necessary to pass                                                            
the  test.   Second, the  district  wants to  implement remediation                                                             
programs  that  target  the  district's   weaknesses.    Third,  the                                                            
district wants to reinforce  its staff development program. Finally,                                                            
the district wants  to make sure the exam is valid,  specifically by                                                            
making  sure the  cut scores  are  appropriate within  each  content                                                            
area.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHERI  WIKAN, Petersburg  School Board  member, said she  agrees                                                            
with Mr. Wooten's  statement.  She  said that if students  are going                                                            
to be held accountable, teachers should be held accountable.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN told Ms.  Wikan that incoming teachers must take an                                                            
exam, existing teachers were grandfathered in.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANS  BENARD,  student advisor  to the Anchorage  School  Board,                                                            
said the current deadline  for implementation of the graduation exam                                                            
will shortchange  students' learning.  An extension  is necessary so                                                            
that  revisions can  be  made to  the test,  so that  bilingual  and                                                            
special education  issues can be addressed,  and to ensure  that all                                                            
students have  an opportunity to learn.  It is in  the best interest                                                            
of all Alaskans  to ensure the state is testing what  it promised to                                                            
test.  A time  extension will allow this process to  be completed in                                                            
the most  thoughtful and  thorough way possible.   Not all  students                                                            
are the same,  so it is imperative that time be taken  to adjust the                                                            
needs  of   students  with  learning   disabilities  and   bilingual                                                            
education issues.   Legal issues are  potentially the most  critical                                                            
to the legislature at this  time; another reason the deadline should                                                            
be extended.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN said  that  one thing  that will  be difficult  to                                                            
bring about is  a total delay of the exam.  She asked  Mr. Benard if                                                            
he could  think of  any way  the exam  could be  given, people  held                                                            
accountable  and the  test could  be tested.   She  pointed out  the                                                            
tests are not static.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENARD  said at  this  time an  extension  for  the  graduation                                                            
requirement  could be made  but schools could  continue to  give the                                                            
test  and give  students  a designation  on  their diploma  if  they                                                            
achieved the current cut score.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN noted that is one  of the alternate solutions  and                                                            
some  of the  issues,  such  as crafting  a  test for  the  learning                                                            
disabled, will  be given to the State  Board of Education  and Early                                                            
Development to deal with.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENARD  said  that giving  the  exam  will  also  allow  school                                                            
districts to identify students who need remedial classes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2204                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DEBBIE OSSIANDER,  Anchorage School Board Legislative  Chair and                                                            
board member  of the State  School Board  Association, said  she has                                                            
come to recognize  the positive discussion  she has been  monitoring                                                            
in this committee.   She is heartened by the proposal  put forth and                                                            
by  committee  members'  remarks   made  in response   to  testimony                                                            
yesterday.   Many  school  districts  believe  the emphasis  on  the                                                            
standards movement  will be very helpful  in the long run.   It will                                                            
put the spotlight  on a proportion of the student  population at the                                                            
lower  to middle  end that  don't  see the  spotlight.   She felt  a                                                            
broader look at  the exams will be helpful and she  sees DOEED going                                                            
in that direction.   She appreciates  the current discussion  on the                                                            
logistics  difficulties that  districts will  face.  The  discussion                                                            
about  how  to  test  the  special  education  population  needs  to                                                            
continue and will require  a broad based approach.  She applauds the                                                            
committee  for  looking  at  a  layered  approach  that  will  offer                                                            
transitional  endorsements.  She believes  the committee  is heading                                                            
in the right direction.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked whether  the Anchorage School Board has taken a                                                            
formal position on the exit exam.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-15, SIDE B                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. OSSIANDER said the  Anchorage School Board has tried to bring to                                                            
the forefront the particular  problems that it is facing, because it                                                            
believes a  variety of solutions are  available.  The Board  felt it                                                            
was not productive  to stake out the  answer before it had  the full                                                            
analysis  of the  problem.   The  board believes  it  would have  to                                                            
address some specific problems  if the test were given right now and                                                            
that  would be  very, very  difficult.   The board  is generally  in                                                            
favor of a delay  and has already offered a specific  recommendation                                                            
for a transition.   She noted she  spoke on behalf of the  Anchorage                                                            
School Board on all of her comments.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN said she believes  the issue for the committee  is                                                            
to keep  it simple so that  districts are  not overwhelmed  with too                                                            
many choices  and  chores.  Some  of the  items on  the back of  the                                                            
proposal  do not  have  to be  included  in this  legislation,  even                                                            
though they are  very important.  For example, language  regarding a                                                            
transcript  requirement is not found  in statute.  She believes  the                                                            
transcript will become far more important than the diploma.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. OSSIANDER  commented that  the Anchorage  School Board  has had,                                                            
over  a number  of years,  discussions  with  the local  chamber  of                                                            
commerce about  the value of transcripts.  The board  believes there                                                            
will be a general raising  of the bar if a high stakes exam is used.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHN DAVIS, Bering  Straits School District Superintendent, said                                                            
he is  heartened and  pleased by  Senator Green's  proposal.   He is                                                            
concerned  that  we have  started  with the  premise  that  American                                                            
schools  are failing  significantly.    He  asked Senator  Green  to                                                            
challenge that  assumption.  This country continues  to get measured                                                            
against countries  with political  and economic  systems that  we do                                                            
not aspire  to, in particular  Japan.  According  to the  literature                                                            
and the  Japanese news,  parents are not  particularly pleased  with                                                            
what their  children are  doing and  look to see  how they can  make                                                            
their education  system more like  ours.  He hopes we aspire  to our                                                            
own aspirations  and continue  to challenge  them to do better.   To                                                            
that end, he supports the  state's efforts to promote standards.  He                                                            
cautioned,  however, that  standards and  assessments are  different                                                            
creatures.   He  does not  support  the continued  use  of the  high                                                            
stakes exam.  He thinks  it should be dismissed until such time that                                                            
we  know  what  we  want  to  do  and  then  establish  a  means  of                                                            
measurement.  This approach  established a measurement standard that                                                            
has taken  over  the discussion  to a  much greater  degree than  it                                                            
should.   Consequently,  everyone is in  a bind.   The year  2002 is                                                            
about to  arrive and districts  are nervous  that too many  students                                                            
may not  be successful. The  educational system  has not changed  so                                                            
dramatically during  the last few years that such  a large number of                                                            
students  should be  designated as  failures.   He suspects  today's                                                            
children are every  bit as smart as adults, and maybe  much smarter.                                                            
There is material  on the assessment  that children should  know and                                                            
his district  will continue to use  that information to improve  its                                                            
program.  He  is concerned that a  single standard is being  used to                                                            
measure these individuals.  That is not done in any other arena.  He                                                            
is concerned  that students be able  to join and participate  in the                                                            
community, once they graduate.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2120                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JANELLE  PRIVETT,  Wrangell  School  Board  Chair,  stated  she                                                            
believes Alaskan  children can do anything that is  put before them.                                                            
The Wrangell district  has worked hard; it has been  involved in the                                                            
standards  process  for a  long time.    The Wrangell  district  has                                                            
longevity of  teachers, which is a  great benefit.  That  allows the                                                            
district to develop  educational plans that stay.   The district has                                                            
made  a great  effort  to  hire  expertise  because  it is  a  small                                                            
district and  does not have the training  opportunities that  larger                                                            
districts  have.   She believes  Wrangell students  are prepared  to                                                            
take the exit exam.  She  would like to see other districts have the                                                            
opportunities  that  Wrangell  has had  and  she believes  that  the                                                            
pulling together of educational  organizations and communities, such                                                            
as with  the QS2  plan, will  bring about excellence  in  education.                                                            
Most  of the  concerns she  has heard  as  a board  member are  from                                                            
parents of special education  children.  Until this point, there has                                                            
been  no  discussion  about  those children.    She  also  expressed                                                            
concern  that  Alaska  is proud  of  its  diversity,  yet  bilingual                                                            
speakers  are not  recognized in  this test.   She  believes if  the                                                            
bilingual and special education  issues are resolved, the state will                                                            
have the accountability  it is looking  for.  She supports  the 2004                                                            
date to provide time to work out the details.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1891                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN  said  that somebody  is  doing  something  right  in                                                            
Wrangell regarding  education.  He felt she probably  undersells the                                                            
community's  involvement  in the  students  and that  families  pull                                                            
together,  which account,  in part,  for the success.   He  believes                                                            
that having everyone  invested has positive outcomes.   He asked her                                                            
to share that model with other school districts.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PRIVETT  said that  seniors  do a  year  long project  that  is                                                            
community oriented to pay  back the community for the time and money                                                            
spent on education.   One student  taught a full-year sign  language                                                            
class  for a third  grade  class and  the adults  in the  community.                                                            
Students also  have to raise $400  for travel but do something  that                                                            
will benefit  the community.   They  may hold  a wrestling camp  for                                                            
younger children.   The goal of the Wrangell School  District was to                                                            
point out  to students the  cost and the  value of their  education.                                                            
For a time,  students were  asking for handouts  from the  community                                                            
but the board did not want  them to grow up learning that is how you                                                            
pay for things.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  asked Ms. Privett to elaborate on  her concern about                                                            
the language component of the exam.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. PRIVETT  explained  that she would  like to  make sure that  the                                                            
bilingual  concerns   are  addressed.    She  pointed  out  that  in                                                            
Anchorage,  87 languages are  spoken, and  many dialects are  spoken                                                            
around the state.   She questioned whether the test  is sensitive to                                                            
the bias it could create  if it is not sensitive to those children's                                                            
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN asked  if she envisions  the test  being given  in a                                                            
language other than English.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. PRIVETT said she can't  answer that question.  She does not know                                                            
what  it would  take to  give  that child  the opportunity  to  have                                                            
excellence in education.   She believes DOEED has professionals that                                                            
could  answer that  question.   She  pointed  out that  many of  the                                                            
children in  Wrangell have never seen  a stoplight before  so if one                                                            
were to appear on a test, the students would be confused.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. DEB GERMANO,  Chair of the Kenai  Peninsula Board of  Education,                                                            
said she appreciates the  work that has been done on the legislation                                                            
up to this point, but she  is concerned that the legislation be kept                                                            
simple.  She  is concerned about the  endorsement piece.   The Kenai                                                            
District has  been working on a certified  diploma for a  long time.                                                            
She feels the  local districts can  address that issue more  easily.                                                            
If the school  administration has  to work on another problem,  more                                                            
time will be taken  away from another issue that must  be addressed,                                                            
and that is to  make sure that students are meeting  the performance                                                            
standards and  able to pass the exit  exam.  In the Kenai  district,                                                            
many students  are pressured to perform.  The school  administration                                                            
is  doing  a  good   job  to  get  that  down  and  holding   school                                                            
administrators  accountable  for  what  is happening.    A two  year                                                            
extension  would provide  time to look  at the  math portion  of the                                                            
test.  The Kenai district  is aligning curriculum to the performance                                                            
standards.  Staff development and  remediation are big pieces.   The                                                            
special education issue  is a big issue that professionals will have                                                            
to deal with.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  commented that what is perplexing  is the range of                                                            
abilities and  the description of "special education."   She assumes                                                            
that 75 to  80 percent of special  education students will  take the                                                            
exam with some  accommodations but  the others could be assessed  on                                                            
whatever  their  educational  goals were.    However,  that is  very                                                            
difficult to place in statute.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. GERMANO  said the other  piece of that  puzzle is that  we don't                                                            
want to  set every child  up to need an IEP.   Ms. Germano  said the                                                            
bottom  line is  that we  need  to educate  our children  and  avoid                                                            
litigation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1459                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DEBBIE  EDWARDSON, North  Slope Borough  School District  School                                                            
Board Member,  stated support for  the delay of the exit  exam.  The                                                            
district  would  also like  to  commend the  committee  for  looking                                                            
seriously at the issues  involved.  She feels it is really important                                                            
to separate the  goal, which is the standards, from  the tool, which                                                            
is the assessment  that everyone agrees has problems.   The Class of                                                            
2002 is expected  to take the exit  exam, yet they have not  had the                                                            
advantage  of taking a  benchmark exam.   She  supports a delay  for                                                            
that  reason.    The  movement  toward  an  exit  exam  is  a  major                                                            
educational  reform, one that has  been needed for a long  time, but                                                            
to do  that, the  system has  to be rebuilt  from  the bottom.   The                                                            
North Slope  Borough has aligned its  curriculum with the  standards                                                            
but it needs to look at  staff development over a 90,000 square mile                                                            
area with high teacher turnover.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN said when the original  exit exam legislation  was                                                            
before  the legislature,  everyone  who voted  for that legislation                                                             
assumed  the  current   curriculum  would  be  the   basis  for  the                                                            
development  of the  test, not  something that  exceeded the  normal                                                            
graduation requirements.   The legislature was surprised to find the                                                            
test had gone over the minimum requirements.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. EDWARDSON  said in  a village school,  generalists are  teaching                                                            
secondary subjects so many students do not learn algebra.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN said the  legislature needs to find out how much of                                                            
that is happening around the state.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. EDWARDSON  said  the issue of  equity, between  a large  village                                                            
like  Barrow and  smaller villages,  is  one that  the district  has                                                            
looked at  for a long  time.   The district tried  to offer  algebra                                                            
through distance delivery.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN said he does  not believe that algebra is higher level                                                            
math.  He  does agree that  some districts  do not teach what  is on                                                            
the exam and  he is concerned that  students are not being  prepared                                                            
to a level that the Alaska  community has decided should be met.  He                                                            
has not seen anything on  the exit exam that he would consider to be                                                            
higher level math.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1115                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD  told Ms.  Edwardson  that  this committee  was  quite                                                            
surprised  that  the test  contained  algebraic  questions  yet  the                                                            
committee  learned  that  not  all districts  teach  algebra.    The                                                            
committee  asked which  districts teach  algebra  but it cannot  get                                                            
that information.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. EDWARDSON  said  the North  Slope district  teaches algebra  but                                                            
they have had  trouble teaching it  in some of the village  schools.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD said  that is  one of  the problems  the committee  is                                                            
wrestling with now.  He thanked Ms. Edwardson for attending.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further  testimony, CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN announced  the                                                            
committee would hear a  presentation by the Department of Health and                                                            
Social Services  on Fish Safety Monitoring,  and it will  hear SB 96                                                            
and SB 112 on Wednesday.  She then adjourned the meeting.                                                                       

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